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| Posted: Sat May 8th, 2010 08:01 am |
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Glasgowing Kilted Rider
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Well my new starter solenoid arrived yesterday so hopefully i can get back into the garage this weekend and get some action in. I've been busy over the winter period and i've not really got space to work round the bike so i've not touched her at all (the shame I know, the shame) Story so far.... I've completely stripped an old unloved '81 GL1100 and done loads of powder coating, changed timing belts (following instructions implicitly (I'm sure I did)). stripped, cleaned, rejetted and rebuilt carbs. New plugs leads, caps. Coils are good. Tank cleaned out and powder coated. Some rechroming. Forks stripped and rebuilt. All thats really left are finish off the brakes, New wheel bearings, build up back end, and connect up lighting. Got her started last year but only on both right hand cylinders. Left hand cylinders stayed cold but right bank were well hot. tried in vain to coax all 4 into action to no avail. Then the starter solenoid gave up the ghost and my enthusiasm gave way a little. But the main bug is I need to find the remaining 2 pots! Fuel pump is working fine, fuel in all bowls and got 4 good sparks. So, Starter motor to be fitted and hopefully she'll fire on 2, then I'll give a squirt of carb cleaner in the filter area. If the other 2 cylinders kick in then I know its a carb prob. Likely the diagphrams coz thats the only thing I never replaced (  ). However, if they don't kick in, then it's likely that the left timing belt is maybe a tooth out. ( ) I don't have an engine compression gauge so only going by the finger test, and that seems ok ( )I'll keep you up to date..
____________________ Think I'll take the long road http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/tom4.brown/GlasgowingS81GL1100 |
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| Posted: Sat May 8th, 2010 12:16 pm |
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derek hendry Bar Steward 
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sounds like you have been a busy lad, hope you manage to get it sorted and started
____________________ Derek and Maggie 2004 1800 in fridge White Rolls Canardly - Rolls down hill but can hardly get up em aka Fiat Ducato M/Home aka Tin Tent Honda Goldwing - Every corner an Adventure |
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| Posted: Sat May 8th, 2010 01:47 pm |
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Silverfox Liason Officer 
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It does sound like you have been a busy boy, I wish I had the where with all to get on with the Executive and get her up and on the road. 
____________________ Pete rblr.co.uk Why do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow, when you can be out riding!!! '06 GL1800 Comfort package model. '76 GL1000 Executive model. |
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| Posted: Sat May 8th, 2010 07:59 pm |
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derek hendry Bar Steward
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it seems the older we get the less time we seem to have, not sure why really, i always have a list of jobs that need done and not enough time to do them all
____________________ Derek and Maggie 2004 1800 in fridge White Rolls Canardly - Rolls down hill but can hardly get up em aka Fiat Ducato M/Home aka Tin Tent Honda Goldwing - Every corner an Adventure |
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| Posted: Sun May 9th, 2010 12:48 am |
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Glasgowing Kilted Rider
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Don't you just hate it when your new toy isn't all it seems? My new solenoid is an updated design with affixed blade type fuse, but the original connector didn't quite fit . I connected up the battery to the solenoid post and squeezed on the connector but nothing happened... no power. Got my multimeter out and discovered I had a bad earth. So reterminated the battery earth and.... ermm the fuse popped  . Obviously something wrong. Connected up the original solenoid and bingo, clicking good style. Maybe I had a bad earth all the time . Decided to progress for the moment with the the old one in place as it probably wasn't faulty at all.. With the starter motor connected up, she cranked over and burst into life again although still on the right hand 2 pots. After a couple of sprays of Carb Cleaner under the airfilter I noticed that there was smoke puffing from the left hand exhaust, I had ignition in the rear left cylinder  , woohoo and it continued to fire, for much longer than the Carb Cleaner squirts would have lasted. Now I've got 3 cylinders, only one to go!! So, now at least I'm a wee bit more comfortable that the timing belts are actually ok  and the problem is likely within the carburation. I'll give them another spray tomorrow and see if the elusive 4th pot can be coaxed into action. I really don't want to have to pull the carbs coz I had a heck of a problem getting them back in situ. I was nearly in tears as I scraped the powder coat and paint on the tank, engine and coolant pipes. Still, needs must... Watch this space 
____________________ Think I'll take the long road http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/tom4.brown/GlasgowingS81GL1100 |
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| Posted: Sun May 9th, 2010 05:32 pm |
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derek hendry Bar Steward
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could always try putting the likes of redex etc, through the tank, i take it you have checks coil packs etc
____________________ Derek and Maggie 2004 1800 in fridge White Rolls Canardly - Rolls down hill but can hardly get up em aka Fiat Ducato M/Home aka Tin Tent Honda Goldwing - Every corner an Adventure |
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| Posted: Mon May 10th, 2010 12:49 am |
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Glasgowing Kilted Rider
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I believe the wing ignition system is a wasted spark type so the coil will fire both plugs at same time. i'm Getting good sparks all round so I'm assuming the coils are good. I havent put redex in the fuel but thats not a bad idea! I've not done anything else to make the rear left cylinder fire up since last time I started her. Just the squirt of carb cleaner in the air filter box. I guess it wouldnt do any harm to add some redex to the fuel and let it work its magic...... Thanks Derek, anything to avoid pulling the carbs. I didnt get round to the bike today, I ended up through at Denny to buy my son a car, so that took up most of my 'free' time. Still, yesterday i also connected up some electrics and found the headlight and sidelight to be working a treat. Just need to wire up the indicators at the front and reassemble the rear guard, light bracket etc to do the rear wiring. I'm not using the original indicators as the stalks were broken off the headlight brackets and also the taillight bracket. My friend done a lovely job welding on some new threaded mounts before i got the brackets rechromed. I can now fit most of the screw fitting type indicators. The only issue is that they only have one connecting wire with the body being earthed. Original indicators have 2 wires and no earth. Should be a pretty straight forward job though. If I can just keep doing a wee bit in the spare moments, it really is so close..... C'mon the Redex  Last edited on Mon May 10th, 2010 12:50 am by Glasgowing ____________________ Think I'll take the long road http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/tom4.brown/GlasgowingS81GL1100 |
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| Posted: Mon May 10th, 2010 08:17 am |
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Silverfox Liason Officer
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Reading through what you have told us so far, it sounds like you have two out of the three things necessary for an engine to fire up eliminated. Assuming that the air intake isn't blocked by powder coating!! ( yes I have looked at your gallery in signature line) and by the sounds of things you have good sparks to all four plugs, this only leaves a fuel issue. You said that the pump is pushing fuel through and I know it is fresh fuel, because you had the tank cleaned, so about the only thing keeping those cylinders on the left bank from firing is the carbs or valve timming. Before you go diving into the guts of them again, have you accertained that the linkages are opperating correctly on the left side. Another thing that could stop them firing is the valves, either out of sync or hanging up, but it would surprise me if two were both out on the left side, unless the belt was slightly out. It has got to be something that is common to the left two cylinders that is different from the right side. I am sure you will crack it soon and all will be well.
____________________ Pete rblr.co.uk Why do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow, when you can be out riding!!! '06 GL1800 Comfort package model. '76 GL1000 Executive model. |
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| Posted: Tue May 11th, 2010 08:54 am |
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Glasgowing Kilted Rider
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Thanks Silverfox, i agree about something being common on the left bank. One thing I'm not clear on is whether the belt being one tooth out would affect both left cylinders or just one? The only cylinder not firing now is Number 2, Left front. Number 4 wasn't firing on previous attempts until the weekend when i squirted Carb Cleaner into the intake, then it continued to fire. I didn't get a chance to continue further in pursuit of Number 2 . I'm off today and this afternoon I'll have another attempt with more CC and have got some Redex now to mix into the fuel tank for further encouragement. I've got to admit that I haven't set the valve clearances yet, i've not had the heads actually off the engine so haven't disturbed it mechanicall other the timing belts. I'll drain Number 2 carb bowl a couple of times after starting up so at least I know the redex fuel mixture is actually at the carb and working it's magic (hopefully). If no signs of life I'll check valve clearances as you suggest. My aim was to get her running on 4 then do the fine tuning bit. I know the carbs will need balanced and adjusted as i've replaced all the jets and needles. I'll be back Any further help/advice/experience is most welcome
____________________ Think I'll take the long road http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/tom4.brown/GlasgowingS81GL1100 |
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| Posted: Tue May 11th, 2010 03:11 pm |
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Silverfox Liason Officer
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The fact that cylinder number 4 is now firing eliminates a couple of things, valve bent being one, anything serious inside the engine being another.  . My bet is that the addition of cleaner has freed up or at least improved something going on in the carb. As you will know, Carburated Wings don't like standing around for any length of time, the carbs gum up and a varnish like build up happens. Let's hope that the addition of cleaner does its thing and eventually get rid of deposit build up and that is the end of your woes. Worst scenario as I see it, those carbs may need to come out again and be completely overhauled. Stratigically placed wash leather's should protect the lovely paintwork should you need to drag them out again. I have heard said that Yamaha carb cleaner is supposed to be wonderful stuff for un gumming carbs in situ. Not quite sure what is so different about theirs, but that is what I have read. If you do have to "go in" again on the carbs, might be worth changing those diaphrams whilst they are out, might save you another removal excercise in a short while.
____________________ Pete rblr.co.uk Why do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow, when you can be out riding!!! '06 GL1800 Comfort package model. '76 GL1000 Executive model. |
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| Posted: Tue May 11th, 2010 05:56 pm |
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Glasgowing Kilted Rider
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  Redex is KING for WINGS
____________________ Think I'll take the long road http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/tom4.brown/GlasgowingS81GL1100 |
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| Posted: Tue May 11th, 2010 06:15 pm |
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Silverfox Liason Officer
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Are you telling us she is firing on all cylinders now then mate?
____________________ Pete rblr.co.uk Why do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow, when you can be out riding!!! '06 GL1800 Comfort package model. '76 GL1000 Executive model. |
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| Posted: Tue May 11th, 2010 06:15 pm |
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Glasgowing Kilted Rider
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YYEEEESSSS we have 4 cylinders firing up now woohooo. Started her up today and she ran on the 3 cylinders (1, 3 & 4) as expected. So, I topped up the fuel tank and added a splash of Redex. Next I drained Carb 2 float bowl then started her up again. Ran the engine for a few minutes then killed it once i was sure the carb bowl had filled up. Drained bowl 2 again and then started up again, this time the fuel should have been with the Redex mixture . After running for few minutes, I noticed a change in the engine tone and felt some heat in the '2' exhaust . And that was it! Revved the engine up a bit to get a good flow through and she started to run a bit smoother, wanting to idle but just not stable enough. I adjusted the idle screw quite a bit and she started to idle about 950 to 1050. Talk about being chuffed to bits . So Redex was indeed the answer in this case. All I need now is a set a vacuum gauges to balance the carbs and hopefully soon she'll be running as sweet as an old Wing should. Up and on now, no time to waste  Cheers again
____________________ Think I'll take the long road http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/tom4.brown/GlasgowingS81GL1100 |
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| Posted: Tue May 11th, 2010 07:44 pm |
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Silverfox Liason Officer
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Excellent news, I look forward to reading and seeing the final stages of the Pheonix rising. (PS: when you are done buttoning her up, there is a GL 1000 Executive sown here wants some loving care. Can supply bed and board!!! )
____________________ Pete rblr.co.uk Why do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow, when you can be out riding!!! '06 GL1800 Comfort package model. '76 GL1000 Executive model. |
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| Posted: Tue May 11th, 2010 09:37 pm |
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Glasgowing Kilted Rider
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OOO we're on a roll now, fitted the speedo and tacho cable. Rear master cylinder stripped and cleaned again ready for assembly and fitting. I'll dig out a rear brake disc and fit onto wheel. While the wheel's off I've got a new seal to fit to the Swinging arm/diff joint and the diff to respray. If I can just stay focused, I'm sure I can see some of this summer on my own wheels at last. And it looks like there might be a wee holiday in Croyden on offer too..... at the rate my projects taken though I might need a long term booking...  I could do with borrowing a set of 4 vacuum gauges if you know of anyone who might be willing to lend them out for a short while ???
____________________ Think I'll take the long road http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/tom4.brown/GlasgowingS81GL1100 |
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| Posted: Tue May 11th, 2010 10:49 pm |
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derek hendry Bar Steward
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Thats good news indeed, put somer edex in my tank (motorhome) as it too seemd to be running not quite right, helps really well, had a good conversation with the owner of the shop they do the forte stuff, its £13 a bottle but a lot of the trade, taxi drivers etc swear by the stuff. Some cant help on the vacuum guages but well worth doing
____________________ Derek and Maggie 2004 1800 in fridge White Rolls Canardly - Rolls down hill but can hardly get up em aka Fiat Ducato M/Home aka Tin Tent Honda Goldwing - Every corner an Adventure |
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| Posted: Tue May 11th, 2010 10:55 pm |
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Glasgowing Kilted Rider
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Thanks for the advice Derek, seemed to do the trick for sure.
____________________ Think I'll take the long road http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/tom4.brown/GlasgowingS81GL1100 |
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| Posted: Wed May 12th, 2010 12:36 am |
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jamie simpson Kilted Rider 
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Hi Tom i have some vacuum gauges if you need.
____________________ Jamie Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference. |
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| Posted: Wed May 12th, 2010 09:05 am |
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Silverfox Liason Officer
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I too was going to mention the Forte stuff, and a quick search on Ebay will throw up ads for it at about £8.00 a bottle and sometimes less. I absolutley swear by the stuff after seeing my mechanic use it on my 1500, the difference was amazing. The addition of a little bit regularly will keep the carbs running sweet.
____________________ Pete rblr.co.uk Why do today what you can put off 'til tomorrow, when you can be out riding!!! '06 GL1800 Comfort package model. '76 GL1000 Executive model. |
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| Posted: Wed May 12th, 2010 09:08 pm |
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derek hendry Bar Steward
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the taxi lads put it in their tanks before the test, reduces the emisions
____________________ Derek and Maggie 2004 1800 in fridge White Rolls Canardly - Rolls down hill but can hardly get up em aka Fiat Ducato M/Home aka Tin Tent Honda Goldwing - Every corner an Adventure |
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